Posted by: Objective Scrutator | August 25, 2008

Our Military Is Not Free Of Traitors

Scherfen is a convert to Islam, and his wife, Rubina Tareen, distributes educational material on Islam. Traitors can be of any stripe:

For Erich Scherfen, being on a government terror watch list isn’t just a matter of inconvenience. It could end his career.

In April, Colgan informed Scherfen that he was on a government list and would be suspended from his job. He was told he faced termination on September 1 unless he was able to clear his name.

But Scherfen, of Schuylkill Haven, Pennsylvania, has been unable to do so and said he fears that it could mean he has no future as a pilot.

“My entire career depends on me getting off this list,” he said. “I probably won’t be able to get a job anywhere else in the world having this mark that I’m on this list.”

[snip]

Scherfen is a convert to Islam. His wife emigrated from Pakistan when she was 17 and is now a U.S. citizen. She runs a small business selling books and DVDs about Islam, publications she describes as nonpolitical.

Scherfen and Tareen have both been stopped when traveling and told by security personnel that they are on “a list.” Scherfen calls it “embarrassing.”

Tareen said she thinks they may be on a watch list because of their Muslim faith and her Pakistani heritage. The two said they are not terrorists and don’t associate with people who are.

“I have no idea why I am on the list, and they’re not telling officially that I’m even on the list,” Scherfen said.

[snip]
“Unfortunately, it is a problem that is shared by countless individuals who have no connection to terrorism, have no connection to crime and don’t belong on this list,” said Walczak, the ACLU lawyer.

Walczak acknowledged the need for the government to protect the country from threats with a watch list but said, “The problem with what the government is doing is that they really don’t care about innocent casualties.”

Scherfen said the pain of his situation is accentuated by the fact that he spent 13 years in uniform protecting the country.

“We served honorably,” he said. “We served in a war. And they’re thumbing their noses at us, basically, and that makes me feel … really sad about this situation.”

Oh, go whine to the French, you pansy Muslims. Although not all terrorists may be Islamists, all Islamists are terrorists. It’s very likely that you are a double agent, and America has had several problems with your kind. If you legitimately cared about your career and your freedom, then you would have remained a Christian or a Jew, and maintained opposition to Islam. Apparantely, you don’t care that we’re fighting a War On Terror/Islam, so the U.S. Military should, at the very least, discharge you from the military. Real Americans will want you executed, and if President Bush listens to his base, then he will do so, as well.


Responses

  1. This here is intur-racial marriage. This assaults the sanctity of marriage just as much as them fags, celebrities, n’ celebrity fags do. Can I question their patriotism yet?

  2. You are no different from the Bin Laden’s of the world. He would accuse anyone and everyone based on suspicion. In a country where one is innocent until proven guilty, it seems you yourself don’t belong!

    I wonder what you would say about Pollard! Or do you even know who that thug is?

    ATW

  3. “Can I question their patriotism yet?”

    Why haven’t you done so already? The sanctity of marriage _ which, by definition, is a contract between a man and his concubine’s father over a female_ is under assault!

    “You are no different from the Bin Laden’s of the world. He would accuse anyone and everyone based on suspicion. In a country where one is innocent until proven guilty, it seems you yourself don’t belong!”

    Judging by your blog, I’m going to assume you live somewhere in Israel, Gaza, or the Holy Land. In that case, I don’t think you really understand how much we, as a nation, have been united against radical Islam. Before the wellspring of Islamism, Saddam Hussein, sent his terrorist arm, Al Qaeda, we were unaware of how much he hated America. Now, we realize that the entire Islam world hates America. For that reason alone, anyone who has any ties with Islam should be apprehended and waterboarded. Then again, you sound like a Palestinian Islamist, so I can see why you think this way.

    “I wonder what you would say about Pollard! Or do you even know who that thug is?”

    Oh, Jonathan Jay Pollard? I honestly can’t say I know very much about him (since it’s not my job to do so), but wasn’t that the Islamist that leaked to Israel American reconnaisance photos of their bases? It’s OK, though, as we let Yitzhak Rabin know that we were not going to tolerate their double agents by furthering spying on Israel. We needed to share more military secrets with each other, anyways.

    The fact is that Israel exists for America’s interests in the Middle East _ and after we’re done there, we intend to send all in the Judaic religion to Israel so God can sort them out. A Rapture goes against the Bible, but God Himself told us that, while it was our job to convert the secularists and the Islamists, He wanted to deal with the Jews Himself.

  4. You have just discredited yourself by your ignorant assumptions.

    I’m in the US and as stated before, I worked and lived in the region for 18 years – for what you call “our interests.” Only they are not our interests. We are blindly supporting Nazism of a different kind and with over $4.0 B a year (at least what we have admitted to) while our economy falters and citizens are going homeless.

    Your last statement reveals everything one needs to know about you. You sound like a Christian Zionist. Do tell me that your words and beliefs are not equivalent with the Bin Ladens or “Islamists?” You act as if what you do is absolutely right because “God told you so!” Funny, but didn’t Bin Laden make the very same claim in his terror-war against “Christianists?”

    ATW

    As a nation, America has never been against Islam. We are against Muslim terrorists just as we are against Christian, Jewish or Buddhist terrorism. So please do not include “America” in your generalization.

  5. I’m going to ignore the fact that none of your drivel can be falsified, and is basically a case of BDS, and give you full responses:

    “I’m in the US and as stated before”

    Where was this stated before? Do you really think that I ought to read every single post of yours, which is doubtlessly full of pro-terrorism blather?

    “I worked and lived in the region for 18 years – for what you call “our interests.” Only they are not our interests.”

    Anything that furthers America’s economy is in our interest. There’s a reason we send CIA agents to overthrow Iranian democracies to install dictators, and that is because it improves the lifestyles of every American, thanks to trickle down economics.

    “We are blindly supporting Nazism of a different kind”

    George Orwell himself said that if the political Left is going to have any clout, they need to refrain from calling their opposers ‘fascists’ and ‘Nazis’. Of course, your entire argument against Bush probably comprises quote and fact mining, as well as a substantial failure to take into account the different economies of Nazi Germany and Post-millenial America.

    “and with over $4.0 B a year (at least what we have admitted to)”

    Except your kind would probably rush to use that money on rubbish such as universal health care, social security, and public schools. You don’t really care about the money being spent, you tax and spend liberal. You just care that it’s going to a cause that is dedicated to helping all Americans, rather than towards one that would cripple our economy and reduce incentive to work. Liberals, of course, get massive boners over crippling the economy, and you fail to realize that Clinton is responsible for the recession.

    “while our economy falters and citizens are going homeless.”

    It’s not my responsibility to provide money to people that are too stupid to avoid mortgaging their homes. It is charity’s responsibility to do this, as men like Bill Gates and Warren Buffet have shown. Their efforts are far more effective than any cumbersome, corrupt bureaucracy you’re proposing.

    “You sound like a Christian Zionist.”

    Zionists believe in a Rapture. I hold that there is no such evidence for such a view, as that view opposes Christianizing the world. However, I do share in common with the Zionists the goal to enrich our economy and retake the Holy Land for the true religion.

    “Do tell me that your words and beliefs are not equivalent with the Bin Ladens or “Islamists?” You act as if what you do is absolutely right because “God told you so!” Funny, but didn’t Bin Laden make the very same claim in his terror-war against “Christianists?””

    Our religion is true, and has provided a smorgasbord of technology for our society. Islam is a religion of violence and fornication, as they have produced nothing of any value while waiting for their imaginary 72 virgins.

    “As a nation, America has never been against Islam. We are against Muslim terrorists just as we are against Christian, Jewish or Buddhist terrorism. So please do not include “America” in your generalization.”

    We don’t necessarily oppose the religion, as a nation, but we are well aware that Islamist countries are corrupt, self-serving entities that are willing to bomb a country that has done nothing to them. The reality is that the media has done their best to cover up the linkings of the religion itself to terrorism, because they are given money by the UN and the EU to be politically correct. Christians cannot, by definition, be terrorists, Jewish terrorism only opposes Palestinian Christians, and Buddhist terrorism has been eliminated ever since the communists took over China.

    Islam consistently works against our allies’, as well as our, motives and goals. If you don’t oppose Islam, you hate America, you hate the troops, and you hate freedom. It really is as simple as that.

  6. As you see, your ignorance and dare I say stupidity really shines through.

    When one seeks the truth, one reads and not just spew venom. Obviously, the truth can stare you in the face and you would still deny it.

    But because you don’t wish to read, let me satisfy your curiosity in the fact that almost everything here (on my blog) has an Israeli source and if not Israeli, other credible sources. Interestingly, the likes of you consider everyone wrong and they’re right! That’s exactly what a terrorist believes!

    So, no, I don’t write – like you – emotional garbage.

    And like Obama, (couldn’t resist), you change your tune – and tone – by stating:

    We don’t necessarily oppose the religion, as a nation…

    How profound… but you apparently forgot quite quickly what you had already posted:

    If you legitimately cared about your career and your freedom, then you would have remained a Christian or a Jew, and maintained opposition to Islam.
    Apparantely, you don’t care that we’re fighting a War On Terror/Islam..

    Hmmm…

    But let me tell you something Mr. You’re as American as Bin Laden. No more.. no less! Had our forefathers heard or read your garbage, you would have been considered a traitor and would most likely be dangling from a rope somewhere because you are not just hateful, but act exactly as a Nazi and/or the Ladenites.

    ATW

  7. I must add that you seem to be stuck in the past.. it had already been proven that Muslims do not believe in the 72 virgin crap and that this was a Zionist and Christianists “invention” to dehumanize a whole religion… but as you said, you don’t read so how would you even know this simple fact? ;-)

    Our religion is true, and has provided a smorgasbord of technology for our society.

    Where – really – oh where do you get your information? I want to laugh but I should cry! Cry that there are idiots like you in this world who don’t even know history – then again, maybe your education was completed on some hill in the south!

    Muslims introduced so much to civilization that the numbers you use, are called Arabic Numbers! Yes, I do mean 1, 2, 3, etc..

    Wikipedia:

    Among the achievements of Muslim mathematicians during this period include the development of algebra and algorithms by the Persian and Islamic mathematician Muhammad ibn Mūsā al-Khwārizmī, the invention of spherical trigonometry, the addition of the decimal point notation to the Arabic numerals, the discovery of all the trigonometric functions besides sine, al-Kindi’s introduction of cryptanalysis and frequency analysis, al-Karaji’s introduction of algebraic calculus and proof by mathematical induction, the development of analytic geometry and the earliest general formula for infinitesimal and integral calculus by Ibn al-Haytham, the beginning of algebraic geometry by Omar Khayyam, the first refutations of Euclidean geometry and the parallel postulate by Nasīr al-Dīn al-Tūsī, the first attempt at a non-Euclidean geometry by Sadr al-Din, the development of symbolic algebra by Abū al-Hasan ibn Alī al-Qalasādī, and numerous other advances in algebra, arithmetic, calculus, cryptography, geometry, number theory and trigonometry.

    Maybe I should laugh again.. are you for real?

    ATW

  8. “But because you don’t wish to read”

    I broke down every single point of yours, and responded to them. I have yet to see you do the same to my points, so I’m not going to be so nice to you on this reply.

    Because I want to show my readers how foolish your anti-Semitism is, I took the ‘liberty’ of going to your blog. Interestingly, I found this post under, “Anti-Semitism”. Please tell me you are joking when you say that Islam is not anti-Semitic, but Christianity is, and that Islam is a ‘religion of peace’, but Christianity is a religion of violence. Your first commentor, asl001, gave a valid point about Islam, but you accuse him of ‘failing to read’.

    I am interested in whether you think that Bush caused 9/11, or whether Osama and Saddam did so. I am also interested what you of the ‘religion of peace’ think about this movie.

    And, ironically, you claim that Islam offersdignity, yet you prefer to ignore its atrocities.

    “Interestingly, the likes of you consider everyone wrong and they’re right! That’s exactly what a terrorist believes!”

    I know, you think everyone outside of Islam is an evil infidel, and that bin Laden represents a ‘minority’ of Islamists.

    “So, no, I don’t write – like you – emotional garbage.”

    Ha! You’re right, ad homiems are not emotional at all!

    “Had our forefathers heard or read your garbage”

    America is a Christian Nation. With the exception of some prankster (probably Jefferson, or maybe the Frenchified pervert Benjamin Franklin) having fun with the Treaty of Tripoli, all founding documents support the notion that America is a Christian Nation.

    “And like Obama, (couldn’t resist)”

    What, is his cousin, Odinga, too Islamist for you all of a sudden? Or do you just recognize that liberals, such as Obama and Michael Moore, are in politics for a popularity contest?

    “as you said, you don’t read”

    This is outright slander. I really shouldn’t even respond to you now, since you result to a despicable method of making your points.

    “it had already been proven that Muslims do not believe in the 72 virgin crap and that this was a Zionist and Christianists “invention” to dehumanize a whole religion…”

    HERE is a substantial amount of quotes about Islam and virgins. Of course, you are going to argue about some ‘context’ crap, aren’t you.

    “then again, maybe your education was completed on some hill in the south!”

    This is the best argument you have? I was educated on a hill (which you can’t validate), and that makes my positions wrong? Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound?

    “Muslims introduced so much to civilization that the numbers you use, are called Arabic Numbers! Yes, I do mean 1, 2, 3, etc..”

    You people are parasites, stealing those from the Indians (and not the kind wrongly termed as such). I have more evidence, as well.

    Once you can actually increase your GDP and actually use computers for something other than a hard surface to crack your coconuts, we’ll listen to your opinion.

    “Maybe I should laugh again.. are you for real?”

    Yes.

    Kudos for being a real blog spammer, though! You insist on having people blindly search your blog in order to find the points you make in your arguments, since you apparantely can’t be bothered to just c & p them, or at least directly cite your sources. The vast majority of your commentors disagree with you vehemently, and you just claim that they ‘don’t read enough’. That’s a real argument you’ve got there, buddy.

    Of course, I don’t expect you to totter over to my side, but my readers will see you as the buffoon that you are. Perhaps many that are unsure about Islam or Christianity will be able to make the right decision, thanks to this battle.

  9. You people are parasites, stealing those from the Indians (and not the kind wrongly termed as such). I have more evidence, as well.

    Oh I see, this is what you mean by responding and “breaking down” my points? :-)

    Bask in your own ignorance and enjoy.

    You are no more that a dog that keeps barking.. eventually, you will tire and take a nap…

    My last comment to you is the same I made to other ignorant idiots:

    I can bring a jackass to water but I can’t make a jackass drink.
    :-)

    ATW

  10. I propose that we just use Islamists as cannon fodder.

    Hillbilly Horton _ Good point; Pat Robertson cited you today in one of his lectures.

    Attending the World: You don’t even answer Ixion’s questions, and you respond in some incomprehensible parables that don’t actually help you in proving that all non-Muslims are evil. If you’re having trouble with the big words Ixion uses, maybe you should just look the words up in a Thesaurus. Muslims think thesauruses are Satanic, though, don’t they?

  11. ATW _ apparantely, all the sources cited in the world cannot seperate you from your hatred of America. What has America done to you, personally? Why do you smile every time a Palestinian bombs an innocent home? Ask yourself how happy you really are about yourself, and ask yourself if this sadness is a result of hating freedom.

    I’d refute you further, but I see that my nephew has ripped you apart from eyelash to eyelash. Thanks, Pokey!

  12. “I’d refute you further, but I see that my nephew has ripped you apart from eyelash to eyelash. Thanks, Pokey!”
    You trained your apprentice troll well, Ixion, he will make a fine replacement for Marty McPain.

  13. ATW _ apparantely, all the sources cited in the world cannot seperate you from your hatred of America.

    Fortunately, scumbag, I’m more RED WHITE and BLUE than you are.

    Is this the best you can do? Questioning my patriotism simply because you have no response?

    And your “nephew” is as ignorant as you are. All his words are baseless opinions but he so much enjoys his words, he thinks he’s credible. If you are a person with half of a brain, you would have read the Israeli papers or Illan Pappe’s (an Israeli) and many others, stories, reports and facts about a nation that has become racist.

    I repeat: I can bring TWO jackasses to water but I cannot make the TWO jackasses drink!

    ATW

  14. ATW _ you still haven’t answered my rebuttals. There was more to my argument than calling you a ‘parasite’. I provided countless links, many of which disagree with me overall, in order to make my point. You, on the other hand, rely on your blog, which applauds the slaughter of Israelis, and don’t have any sources other than Wikipedia, which would not be an accepted citation from any respectable teacher. Do you seriously think that you can win arguments because you can pull out 1200 year old parables?

    “You trained your apprentice troll well, Ixion, he will make a fine replacement for Marty McPain.”

    What’s an ‘apprentice troll’? Is it a baby troll that is trying to assimilate into society and make an honest living, instead of robbing pedestrians on bridges?

  15. What the **** have you done to serve the country **** lint? So this guy falls in love with a Pakistani woman and decides he likes Islam. What is it to you? This guy has 13 years serving our country? What have you done lately?

    Eat a ****

  16. Ixion, what’s the deal? You promised on Sunday that you would write a piece about the Large Hadron Collider on Monday. It is now Friday, and I see no LHC.
    You haven’t touched the DNC either. Don’t tell me you’re falling behind…

  17. Ixion, what’s with the hatred against Muslims? You do realize that there are just as many Christian terrorists as there are Muslim terrorists, don’t you? And you also realize that the Bible contains just as much hatred and violence towards non-Christians as the Qu’ran contains against non-Muslims, don’t you? Seriously, blindly hating people does not make you a better person or a more patriotic American. It just means that you’re contributing to our downfall as a country (since, after all, hatred is what is tearing this country apart).

  18. Moron, (ixion)

    You stated

    You, on the other hand, rely on your blog..

    Well, ignorance and arrogance have been proven yet ONE MORE TIME. My blog posts actual articles, videos and comments directly from Israeli sources. If I ever make a personal comment, it is clearly marked. But as a jackass being dragged to water, you’d rather die of thirst.. in this case, you’d rather die than read the actual sources and the TRUTH.

    Furthermore, the lat comment in your last response isn’t even mine.. oh, I forgot… you don’t even read, do you?

    You have to start reading between the “top line” and the “bottom line” befor making your usual ignorant comments.

    ATW

  19. Ixion, what makes you think that all Muslims hate Americans? Do you even have any actual proof of that?

    And I find it quite odd that you claim to be a Christian, yet you completely ignore Matthew 5:44, which commands Christians to love their enemies. Ixion, where is your love for Muslims?

  20. “Ixion, what makes you think that all Muslims hate Americans? Do you even have any actual proof of that?”

    Islam is a religion of peace. The “Behead All Who Speak Against Islam” signs are not violent, at all. Wonderful culture, really.

    “And I find it quite odd that you claim to be a Christian, yet you completely ignore Matthew 5:44, which commands Christians to love their enemies. Ixion, where is your love for Muslims?”

    I love their immortal souls, and pray for those souls to be saved. You seem to be quite happy about them languishing in Hellfire; where’s your love?

  21. “What the **** have you done to serve the country **** lint? So this guy falls in love with a Pakistani woman and decides he likes Islam. What is it to you? This guy has 13 years serving our country? What have you done lately?”

    I work to establish the death penalty for society’s degenerates, such as scientists, atheists, and abortionists, people to whom you want to give the right to vote.

    “Eat a ****”

    This coming from someone who calls themselves, “Jesus” in Arabic? You must love Luttif Afif, don’t you?

    “Ixion, what’s with the hatred against Muslims? ”

    I don’t know; tell me why they hate us, and America, so much, and maybe you’ll understand.

    “You do realize that there are just as many Christian terrorists as there are Muslim terrorists, don’t you?”

    No.

    “And you also realize that the Bible contains just as much hatred and violence towards non-Christians as the Qu’ran contains against non-Muslims, don’t you?”

    There’s a difference, though _ Christians make sure that they know their enemies are Satanic before striking; Islamists didn’t even bother to check.

    “Seriously, blindly hating people does not make you a better person or a more patriotic American. ”

    “Hate is good.” – Randall Terry. Also, this is not blind hate. This is justified hate, directed against the Muslims that commit violence against innocent Americans, and the liberals that goad them into such acts, by fornicating with each and every object they come across. After their fornication rituals, they abort whatever the child will be _ since liberals are changelings, they can do such shapeshiftry.

    “It just means that you’re contributing to our downfall as a country (since, after all, hatred is what is tearing this country apart).”

    No, it’s your kind that is wrecking our country, by protesting violently, and by trying to cut funding from our troops. (Ironically, you then whine that our troops aren’t receiving good body armor. All you do to me is prove my point that liberals are emotional morons, and probably changelings.)

    “Furthermore, the lat comment in your last response isn’t even mine”

    That’s why I separated it from the rest of my post addressing you, you goosestepping Helioleftist Bolshevist Islamist.

    “But as a jackass being dragged to water, you’d rather die of thirst.. in this case, you’d rather die than read the actual sources and the TRUTH.”

    I’d rather be thirsty, since they put soy in the drinking water.

    “You have to start reading between the “top line” and the “bottom line” befor making your usual ignorant comments.”

    Even as a Democrat, I wouldn’t have agreed with all you said. I may have been against Israel, but I also saw Palestinians as unable to actually debate. When I realized that Israel was doing its best to defend itself against your anti-democratic terrorists, I became a Republican.

    “My blog posts actual articles, videos and comments directly from Israeli sources.”

    If you do cite the sources, they are typically cherry-picked. At any rate, many of your posts, such as your, “Christianity Is A Violent Religion” one, don’t have any sources whatsoever.

    Furthermore, I asked you a question,

    I am interested in whether you think that Bush caused 9/11, or whether Osama and Saddam did so. I am also interested what you of the ‘religion of peace’ think about this movie.

    yet you refuse to answer it. What gives?

    “Ixion, what’s the deal? You promised on Sunday that you would write a piece about the Large Hadron Collider on Monday. It is now Friday, and I see no LHC.”

    I started on it on Monday. However, work has proven to be more of a burden than I thought. Be patient; I’m not as resilient as Psycheout is.

    “You haven’t touched the DNC either. Don’t tell me you’re falling behind…”

    Well, I actually have to WATCH the convention first, and then I have to watch Sean Hannity’s response afterward. By the time all the important stuff is over, I’m usually fairly tired. Unlike liberals, I am human, and therefore have divinely inspired restrictions. I can’t shapeshift and possess human beings like Leftists can.

  22. Tho Ixyon uses big words that I cant really understand, he sur knows how to use them without acting like an elitist or a forriner! Whatever the commentator with the little eye is sayin, it’s probably false. I support the rights of Palestines to shoot and slaughter any Jews that they see. Jews are thiefs, and theifs should be shot in a good society! Even if the Muslims are behind this, they can’t possibly be as bad as a JOO.

  23. I think that the commentators here have proven that the anti-Israel lobby is full of bigotry and stupidity. Here’s a quote from Mr. Horton:

    I support the rights of Palestines to shoot and slaughter any Jews that they see.

    And as for ATW, I did a little searching on your website, and I saw THIS in your fourth comment:

    Now, if the so-called Muslim countries do not adhere to the Sharia laws, (and none do) then that does not mean they’re Muslim countries or that they can be defined as such. We, the US, support these countries – with their dictators – because they serve our purposes with total disregard to democracy and the basic rights of people. And fyi, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt and whatever other country you choose, do not follow Sharia laws. Syria is still ruled by Baathists and Aloites. Lebanon is a Christian country with a Christian president. Jordan is a monarchy and Egypt is a mess! If these countries did follow Sharia laws, there would be true democracies, justice and poverty would be something one would look up in a dictionary. As was the case during the era called Islamic Empire.

    Emphasis added. If there is a single person on here that supports this idiotic sentiment other than ATW, let me know.

  24. So, Ixion, if you think that Islam is a religion of peace, what makes you think that everyone who practices Islam is a violent terrorist?

    And you can love people while still trying to bring them to Christ, you know. So my question still stands: Where is your love for Muslims?

  25. “So, Ixion, if you think that Islam is a religion of peace, what makes you think that everyone who practices Islam is a violent terrorist?”

    You need to learn when to recognize sarcasm. The liberals on this board seem to have THE worst senses of sarcasm I’ve EVER seen. They label what is true as false, and what is false as true.

    “And you can love people while still trying to bring them to Christ, you know. So my question still stands: Where is your love for Muslims?”

    Sometimes, we have to kill anti-Christians as fast as possible, so that we can ensure that they go to a lesser level of hell. The mantle level of hell is hotter than the inner level of hell.

  26. “I can’t shapeshift and possess human beings like Leftists can.”
    We can do that? Why doesn’t anyone tell me these things?!

  27. Okay, then, Ixion. I’m still waiting for your proof that all Muslims are violent, hateful people. Will you provide me with that proof, or will you continue to try to evade having to do so?

    And since when does killing fit into the whole “love your enemy” thing that I mentioned earlier? Or do you not actually follow Christ, even though you claim to be a Christian?

  28. “We can do that? Why doesn’t anyone tell me these things?!”

    Conservatives have told you plenty. You just haven’t been listening until now.

    “I’m still waiting for your proof that all Muslims are violent, hateful people. Will you provide me with that proof, or will you continue to try to evade having to do so?”

    Read THIS thread.

    “And since when does killing fit into the whole “love your enemy” thing that I mentioned earlier?”

    What good does giving a man a refrigerator or a computer do, if he loses his immortal soul? Why would you allow people to actively seek damnation?

    “Or do you not actually follow Christ, even though you claim to be a Christian?”

    “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” (John 14:6)

  29. An article from FreeRepublic, which describes itself as “The Premier Conservative News Forum,” is not exactly unbiased or trustworthy. Try again.

    And are you saying that you really think that God would appreciate you making people convert to Christianity out of fear of being killed? Doesn’t God want people to convert on their own, and not to convert because they feel they have to? Doesn’t God want people to truly love him, and not just love him because they’re afraid of what will happen to them otherwise? Seriously, man, read your Bible for once. You are seriously misinformed on many of its messages.

  30. “An article from FreeRepublic, which describes itself as “The Premier Conservative News Forum,” is not exactly unbiased or trustworthy.”

    Neither is anything else in the Media. Free Republic can at least cite its sources and rely on popular appeal. You have to be the most biased person I’ve seen on this message board, so far.

    “And are you saying that you really think that God would appreciate you making people convert to Christianity out of fear of being killed? Doesn’t God want people to convert on their own, and not to convert because they feel they have to?”

    You can only destroy faith in God if you have faith in something else. Try reading Leviticus 24:16; it is very clear that non-Christians and non-Jews must be put to death. Jesus Himself said, “If you love me, you will keep my commandments.” (John 14:15). There are more than Ten Commandments, but God was especially passionate about the Ten. He commands, “You shall have no other Gods before me”, and Allah is a moon god. Worship of Allah is rejection of Jesus.

    “Doesn’t God want people to truly love him, and not just love him because they’re afraid of what will happen to them otherwise?”

    Most were dragged kicking and screaming into Christianity, such as C.S. Lewis, because they realized it was the only logical response. When you come to Christianity, you also come to God, and a mutual feeling of love develops between the two.

    “Seriously, man, read your Bible for once. You are seriously misinformed on many of its messages.”

    You need to stop taking verses out of context, and try listening to opinions other than your atheist college professors or drug-induced Leftist friends. Also, stop using Hippie rhetoric, as it only makes you look stupid.

  31. Okay, so provide me a non-media-related source (i.e., a peer-reviewed article) that proves that all Muslims are violent and hateful. That shouldn’t be too hard, since, after all, you claim that this is a widely-known fact.

    And didn’t Jesus fulfill the old Jewish laws, as he himself says in Matthew 5:17-18. So what makes you think that that passage from Leviticus is still meant to be followed? Also, why are you holding Muslims to Christian standards? Why do you think that a Muslim would care at all about the Ten Commandments? A Muslim wouldn’t actually care about them, just like you don’t care about anything in the Qu’ran. And, since there’s no proof that the Bible is actually more true than the Qu’ran is, you have absolutely no place to be inferring that it is more true than the Qu’ran.

    You really think that forcing people to do something is an effective solution? Tell me, how exactly did forced labor work out well in the days of slavery?

    And I’m sorry for calling you “man,” it’s just part of my vernacular. I’ll try to remember to not use it in my comments on this blog.

  32. “Okay, so provide me a non-media-related source (i.e., a peer-reviewed article) that proves that all Muslims are violent and hateful. That shouldn’t be too hard, since, after all, you claim that this is a widely-known fact.”

    FreeRepublic is TECHNICALLY a blog, not media, although I’ll let you slide on this one. However, try watching this video, to get a perspective on Islam from someone that lives in India. It’s pretty fair and balanced.

    “And didn’t Jesus fulfill the old Jewish laws, as he himself says in Matthew 5:17-18. So what makes you think that that passage from Leviticus is still meant to be followed? ”

    Can you even read? Matthew 5:17 says, “Did you think I have come to abolish the laws? I come not to abolish them, but to fulfill them.” Paul makes it somewhat easier to understand Jesus, since His intellect was uncomprehensible to all but the most loyal. If you read Paul’s writings, you’ll find that the ceremonial laws were abolished, but the moral laws still stand.

    “Also, why are you holding Muslims to Christian standards? Why do you think that a Muslim would care at all about the Ten Commandments? A Muslim wouldn’t actually care about them, just like you don’t care about anything in the Qu’ran.”

    More people have willingly converted to Christianity than Islam. Christians only have to use force against a very small minority of the population, like your kind, since about 95% of the people that consider it will convert to it. Islam, on the other hand, shoots first, and asks questions later. Besides, you don’t care about the Bible. Why should I care about ‘The Ascent of Man’, written by a Galapagos-tortoise humper?

    “And, since there’s no proof that the Bible is actually more true than the Qu’ran is, you have absolutely no place to be inferring that it is more true than the Qu’ran.”

    The Bible proves the Bible. I’ve already written a post about presuppositionalism; read that, first.

    “You really think that forcing people to do something is an effective solution? Tell me, how exactly did forced labor work out well in the days of slavery?”

    Not only did Jesus support slavery, He also mandated it. All people must be slaves to the Triune, but He was also clear about economic slavery; the poor were so because of their rejections of Jesus. Besides, when slavery was abolished in the South, the economy was wrecked. Now, there are several problems with the Southern system of slavery, such as the ‘permanent slavery by birth’ issue (rather than indentured servitude), but slavery is, overall, a legitimate, reliable system.

    “And I’m sorry for calling you “man,” it’s just part of my vernacular. I’ll try to remember to not use it in my comments on this blog.”

    It’s okay. I have thick skin.

  33. I miss the B4B cast of posters. We were like a little family, constantly bickering, but we knew each other. Now people just seem to come and go, except for me, Pokey, and MoxoM.

    How times change…

  34. [I work to establish the death penalty for society’s degenerates, such as scientists, atheists, and abortionists, people to whom you want to give the right to vote.]
    How about doing what your bible instructs you to do. Like “do not murder” , “love thy neighbor”, and “judge not least ye be judged.

  35. Oh no, it’s Kira, please don’t put me in your Deathnote!

  36. “I miss the B4B cast of posters. We were like a little family, constantly bickering, but we knew each other. Now people just seem to come and go, except for me, Pokey, and MoxoM.”

    You’re leaving out a few people who probably don’t have that much time for this. Mildred and Tom come here occasionally, Hillbilly Horton is fairly loyal, as well.

    Also, there is *someone* moderating comments over at B4B, and it isn’t me. (I don’t have mod privileges over there.) I’m certain that they have realized the Satanism present in Brownback, and will be supporting Palin now. Have you ever heard of scrutator.net? (now taken off site) I’m fairly certain that they were behind that. It was a great website, one that made politics funny, and it often exposed the stupidity of liberals in ways that they haven’t been exposed before.

    Unfortunately for Moxom, he had to be banned because he was posting off-topic Youtube videos about himself. I gave him a warning that this board isn’t an advertising forum for him, and he decided to ignore me. His empty threats to shut down C4C basically insures that he won’t have posting privileges here in the rest of his lifetime. (BTW, if your comments don’t show up, it’s probably because they have the word, ‘Moxom’ in them.) I hope you can whip some sense into that boy.

    “How about doing what your bible instructs you to do. Like “do not murder” , “love thy neighbor”, and “judge not least ye be judged.”

    You liberals are very good at taking verses out of context, aren’t you? In fact, I had already posted on another thread that ‘judge not lest ye be judged’ is about premature judgment. Until you can learn how to read a Bible or this website, I see no reason to answer any more questions from you.

    “Oh no, it’s Kira, please don’t put me in your Deathnote!”

    What are you talking about? Is this one of your narcotics-influenced friends?

  37. [You liberals are very good at taking verses out of context, aren’t you?]
    No, that would be fundies.

    [In fact, I had already posted on another thread that ‘judge not lest ye be judged’ is about premature judgment. ]
    Diffrent people interpret the bible diffrently. I take “judge not” as “don’t jusdge other people”.
    Then theres “let he that is without sin…”

    [Until you can learn how to read a Bible or this website, I see no reason to answer any more questions from you.]
    With a comment like this “I work to establish the death penalty for society’s degenerates, such as scientists, atheists, and abortionists, people to whom you want to give the right to vote. ” I doubt that you have even read the bible.

    [What are you talking about? Is this one of your narcotics-influenced friends?]
    Kira is a fictional character from the japaneese cartoon “death note”. He kills evil people by writing their names and the way they will die in an evil note book.

    If you don’t know what something is, google it. What are thy teaching in (home)schools these days?

  38. Just goes to show you – any freak with a laptop and a net connection can pretend he’s got ‘truth’.

    Nutz to this blog, nutz to the fascists, nutz to the socialists.

    Yer ALL crazy and are bringing about the apocalypse. Sadly, the rest of us, who just want to peacefully live, let live, and prosper, have to deal with the fallout from your insanity.

    Shut up already, morons.

  39. “You’re leaving out a few people who probably don’t have that much time for this. Mildred and Tom come here occasionally, Hillbilly Horton is fairly loyal, as well.”
    Horton is a troll. NOBODY types with an accent.

    “What are you talking about? Is this one of your narcotics-influenced friends?”
    Anime in-joke, wouldn’t expect you to understand.

  40. “No, that would be fundies.”

    My beliefs are closer to Tertullian’s, St Augustine’s, Thomas Aquinas’s, Paul’s, and Jesus’s views than yours are. ‘Christian’ liberalism didn’t actually arise until about the 1920s, which is when the term ‘fundamentalism’ developed. (Fundamentalism is merely 5 key points of Christianity, one of which is Scriptural inerrancy.)

    “Diffrent people interpret the bible diffrently. I take “judge not” as “don’t jusdge other people”.
    Then theres “let he that is without sin…””

    I don’t think that you should be questioning classic theology. There’s a reason theology like mine has been around for at least 2000 years.

    “With a comment like this “I work to establish the death penalty for society’s degenerates, such as scientists, atheists, and abortionists, people to whom you want to give the right to vote. ” I doubt that you have even read the bible. ”

    God demands the death penalty from those who blaspheme in His name. You obviously haven’t read the Old Testament, and you obviously fail to realize that when Jesus saved a woman from a stoning (she committed adultery), that was because that woman was a follower of Christ.

    “Kira is a fictional character from the japaneese cartoon “death note”. He kills evil people by writing their names and the way they will die in an evil note book.

    If you don’t know what something is, google it. What are thy teaching in (home)schools these days?”

    You’ll have to forgive me if I don’t really want to spend time researching a fictional character that has had no influence on politics or religion.

    “Just goes to show you – any freak with a laptop and a net connection can pretend he’s got ‘truth’.”

    Like you. Just listen to how arrogant your tone is.

    “Nutz to this blog, nutz to the fascists, nutz to the socialists.”

    Umm… YOU’RE the fascist and the socialist, pal. You need to read up on Jonah Goldberg’s Liberal Fascism before making stupid statements like this.

    “Yer ALL crazy and are bringing about the apocalypse. Sadly, the rest of us, who just want to peacefully live, let live, and prosper, have to deal with the fallout from your insanity.”

    Go move to Sweden, then. It’s 80% atheist, and has an extensive welfare system Russia could only dream of. America is the most right-wing first-world country in the world, and it just goes to show how greedy you Leftists are that you’re trying to force your views onto us.

    “Shut up already, morons.”

    With crap like this, I’m amazed you wackloons screech about the First Amendment so much. Obviously, the Constitution only applies to registered Democrats.

    “Horton is a troll. NOBODY types with an accent.”

    I actually know Mr. Horton. He’s the one that helped me get familiar with the Knoxville – Oak Ridge area when I moved here.

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